Mary, I'm looking forward to your notes!! What a wonderful effort, and how great to share this with us. I found that doing research helped me tremendously to move on, and I found much comfort in the truth's I found. Can't wait to read your works!
Graham G.
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"Reasoning with the Scriptures" LOL!
by dawg inok guys, remember the book "reasoning with the scriptures"?
we need a book about what to say to a jw in the same manner.... .
all their replies are scripted so when they say blank... we need a reply... feel free to add.
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Things That Irritated You When You Were A JW
by minimus inthere were some witnesses that loved taking notes for every meeting.
whatever you would say, the note takers were busy as a bee writing down every word.
especially if you went out of town to give a talk, certain ones (only sisters) would take their note taking very very seriously.. another thing that used to get to me was when you'd see the same people every assembly on the platform giving a talk or being in a part.
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Graham G.
That retarded BS overseer who instisted on making us look up scriptures in the paragraph, that were word for word quoted in the paragraph!
First he read the scripture word for word from the paragraph, and asks us"uhh, so what does this scripture help us to appriciate..?"
THEN he made us look up the same text in the Bible, read the exact same words and asks the SAME dumb question again "uhh, so what does this scripture help us to appriciate..?"
Every week, every paragraph, the same thing!! It drove me nuts. And every week it took about 5 minutes for someone to comment. Usually the same person commented and said the same thing twice!
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When Debating With Witnesses- Is Arguing Doctrine Beneficial ? Steve Hassan
by flipper inmy wife and i have been reading " releasing the bonds " by steve hassan and it makes some interesting points about assisting people to get out of any cult.
notice this excerpt from chapter 6 from the book.
hassan states, " it is also important to understand that in most bible -based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.
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Graham G.
Quote - I told them in my letters they damned well better not shun me, that if they did, I publicly draw attention to their behavior... I let them know it's their actions that I wouldn't take any longer and it was them wrong not me! -end quote
Very good point Dawg. Never thought about that approach. They only reason why my wife stays a JW is because she is affraid her mother will never speak to her again. They are at fault, they are the ones choosing to shun, and they should be held accountable for that. It's like standing up to a bully.
I have no family where I live, so I don't care about the family shunning. But that may be a great idea for my wife.
I find this a very good thread.
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When Debating With Witnesses- Is Arguing Doctrine Beneficial ? Steve Hassan
by flipper inmy wife and i have been reading " releasing the bonds " by steve hassan and it makes some interesting points about assisting people to get out of any cult.
notice this excerpt from chapter 6 from the book.
hassan states, " it is also important to understand that in most bible -based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.
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Graham G.
Debating Doctrines, or showing them proof of WTS failure & misconduct will only result in the fact that they now see you as 'weak' and somebody to be ignored.
My family is still active, but the do not know I have not been to the meetings for over 3 years, so that gives me a good opportunity to speak to them, while they still think I'm one of them.
Last month my brother, his wife AND my mother (all witnesses) all had to deal with severe illness and hospital treatment. I encouraged them as much as I could, and mentioned to them how blessed they were that some people have chosen to follow a higher education, and become doctors, and are now able to perform life saving surgeries. They immidiately agreed! But if I had made the same point, while being an Apostate (in their eyes) nobody would have listened to me.
What I try to say is, I always seek zealously for the right opportunity, to say the right thing. Something that MAKES THEM THINK. The best thing is, that they constantly praise my spirituality!
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Graham G.
Hey RUSH fan! (2112!) - Hang on in there buddy!! I have a scar to show that I was pretty close to similar thoughts at a time. 2112, I am soooooo glad, that I never went through with it. Life is worth living. Try to see the beauty in even the smallest things. Live one day at a time.
Refuse to allow the WTS to do this to you. Fight back! This is EXACTLY why shunning is EVIL and should be outlawed! This is NOT what Jesus had in mind! This is what mind controlling cults have in mind. I will pray for your well being 2112!
Your Son and your Dog! Think about them, go out with them. Have fun and stay close to them! And nevr underestimate the power of prayer.
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Fading becomes ground for disassociation
by passwordprotected inhere's what i think will happen as i continue to develop my wt sleight of hand thought.... .
faders are a problem.
they want their cake and they want to eat it too.
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Graham G.
Thank you so much for your great suggestions here Friends!! My wife and I are about to face the Bingo Questions too. Thanks to you guys, I will be able to reply in the smartest possible way.
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How to Endure Meetings Constructively - My Approach
by Room 215 ini occasionally attend sunday meetings, either just for curiosity or to placate my dear wife.
i've recently developed a method whereby i tune out all the proceedings from the platform and audience, and take to reading acts (i've just begun to learn a great deal about roman history via audio cds from the teaching company, which i listen to on my long commute to work).
the lecturers on these all highly praise the accuracy of the book of acts and all the gospels in general, in terms of their accurate depiction of life in judea and the hellensitic kingdoms under roman rule.
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Graham G.
Thank you sooooo much for the BS Bingo post!!! I laughed so hard that my co-workers came to see if I was ok!!!
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Pope Apologizes Again For "Evils" Of Child Abuse
by Justitia Themis inhttp://www.cnn.com/2008/world/asiapcf/07/18/pope.australia.sorry/index.html.
cnn) -- pope benedict xvi on saturday offered his strongest public statement yet on sex abuse against minors by roman catholic priests, apologizing to victims and calling the abuse "evil.".
pope benedict xvi apologized for the "pain" that sexually abusive clergy has caused.. more photos the apology came during a mass in sydney, australia, and expands on comments the pope made during an april visit to the united states, during which he publicly acknowledged the pain the church's sex abuse scandal has caused and met privately with abuse victims.. "indeed, i am deeply sorry for the pain and suffering the victims have endured and i assure them as their pastor that i too share in their suffering," he said saturday at sydney's st. mary's cathedral.. the comments came on the pope's third day of public appearances in australia, where he is attending world youth day.
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Graham G.
My Witness Mother called me over the weekend to speak mockingly over the Pope's apology and said "Good thing that child abuse will never happen in our Society". I almost started foaming at the mouth!! How can any witness be so ignorant?? (She lives in Holland, I live in the US, she thinks I'm still a WTS slave)
I told her, as calmly as possible about the $ 12 million dollar paid in Child abuse case settlements last September by the WTS. She was quiet for a while and then just changed the subject.
I went straight through my heart when she said that her and another old Witness lady were convinced this would never happen among the witnesses. "we haven't heard any of that over here?" Sad....
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News Flash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TooBad TooSad inmy wife excitedly told me that she talked to the wife of an elder that just came back from.
the special training for elders in upper state new york and that the elders are being told .
to go back to their congregations and to get them ready for the great tribulation.. i said to her that is great news !!!!
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Graham G.
Good point. Eventhough I would'nt put it past the WTS to pull this nonsense off. But so far it's heresay.
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Will there ever be another Ray Franz?
by nicolaou inwill any other governing body member - present or future - ever have as much impact as he did.
will anyone else have enough strength of character, personal integrity and balls to step down and speak out?.
nic'
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Graham G.
No Brummie. I received an email from him yesterday. June 09. He's alive.